when I was a lot younger and practiced yoga the chakra beneath the balls of the feet was numbered 0.the earth grouding center. And the 8th chakra resided above the 7th, and is the first of the spiritual chakras,(energy center of divine love,and activates spiritual skills contained in the 7th chakra).Some teachers try to fold over the the upper half of the spiritual body on to the lower so thy can access it. Not a good idea, so where is the elusive 8th chakra to be found? above the head or in the ground. you tell me. Douglas, Reiki Master UK.

It is a numbering game and it all depends on who is doing the numbering.

The numbering we are using is stated in the basic QT book in the advanced section.

Dear Alain,thank you for replying to my question so soon, however I find your answer poor and not worthy of you. However I own the the book and on page 107 it says Richard got the information for chakras 8 through 12 from Lazaris. I have read some of his stuff and was not impressed. Without spending the next decade talking about chakras I ask you to go to the following website and read articals 3 & 5 which I think will prove my point. www.wisdomsdoor.com Regards, Douglas UK.

The articles are interesting and very detailed, thanks for pointing them out. Yet, are they not written down? Did someone not decide that these are the "right" interpretations of the chakras?

From my perspective this is all still a point of view. That is all that anything really is; interpretations presented and then tested by those that read it and in general somewhat by real world experience.

Even the first 7 chakras have a number of interpretations and the placements differ some, depending on the book you read. Then there are those that say all of this is changing because of the "time or age" we are living in.

I don't mean that I agree with the articles, nor do I mean I disagree, I simply am saying that the chakras 8-12 as expressed in the SC book were based on the first QT book and the explanations given there. So it becomes an expression of what you choose to believe and what affect this belief has on you. Does it work? Does it have meaning for you?

Ah judgments and expectations.

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From my perspective this is all still a point of view. That is all that anything really is; interpretations presented and then tested by those that read it and in general somewhat by real world experience.

And perception/perspective is in the "eye" of the beholder; at least that's what helps me stay true to what I observe. I rarely second-guess myself now when working with the chakras. If I feel it, I ask to see it. When I ask to see it, I just know it's there. Kinda the same way with my kitchen table.

Great point, Alain...and a good discussion.

When I first began doing energy / chakra work, we were taught to sense the chakras by feeling the energy. I find the placement varies somewhat on some individuals. It would make sense that more chakras (and thus more numbers) might come about from someone more sensitive to feeling the suble nuances of the smaller (palms, feet and so on). There are many, many chakras throught the physical body as well as the etheric body. Different modalities provide different instruction/opinion/discovery. It's all the same thing. The important thing is to trust the energy, what you are sensing and feeling - and if you are gifted with 'sight', seeing!

I'd like to add that I find comments such as "poor and unworthy" unhelpful to stimulating intellectual discourse.

You go, guy! I totally agree! And I prefer your direct approach.

Thanks to everyone who replied to my Chakra question, I wonder Trane if you found Alains post stimulating or interllectual,and I also wonder if you could have botherd to write a few more lines what your post would have contained.

But hey the sun is shining and I am off on holiday for a month,every one using energy systems takes from it what they need, and should not expect everyone to beleve their system is the best,when it does not work for you anymore you move on. Unless you follow the Buddhist path then everthing is an illusion anyway. Love & Light, Douglas UK.

OK fellow QT'ers. Let's send Douglas love and light for his healing, relaxation and enjoyment while on his holiday. Perhaps a holiday is just what he needs!

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I wonder Trane if you found Alains post stimulating or interllectual

I found his answer concise and to the point. For me, it left nothing lacking. If I had, I would have simply asked for further clarification.

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I also wonder if you could have botherd to write a few more lines what your post would have contained.

Alas, the moment has passed and we'll just never know.

the one not to be goaded,

<<<<<<<<<<<<Sending to Douglas>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well, thanks to douglas I have another site in bookmarks to pick clean as I have time.

Alain's answer was short and concise, but his second one was certainly more informative. I don't think he took any offense, else he may not have attempted the 2nd input.

I don't understand why chakras are such a heated topic, one would think someone's god had been publicly blasphemed, loudly.

I find almost all of the written constructs of chakras to be missing one very critical point--so much so I feel the people describing it are being dishonest or just riding the band-wagon.

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Even the first 7 chakras have a number of interpretations and the placements differ some, depending on the book you read. Then there are those that say all of this is changing because of the "time or age" we are living in.

So it becomes an expression of what you choose to believe and what affect this belief has on you. Does it work? Does it have meaning for you?

The above are the most correct and honest statements I have ever ever heard on the subject. (Mostly because there are 8, not 7 first chakras--ahh, as the world changes, or is it better stated as "becomes".)

See, no one is judgemental on this site, you can be you [as stated in another thread by someone else]

P.S.
Do the goads bother you? Turn them into jello, after all, they is just in your perceptions. Jello goads--got it?! ("boing" "boing" "boing")

Well, I tried it. I contemplated (put myself in for awhile) the hermetic construct of chakras. I found it to be rather binding, particularly with it's rings of not pass. The zero chakra in the foots allows a small hole to shadow energies. Moreover, the energy from above becomes oddly altered to a slow dribble like the shadow energy from below--I would call it muddied for lack of a better term, but that is not completely correct--there is no bright light above. The feel of it is like being under water in a pond; the light is not clear, but it is also not completely muddy like a mudhole would be. The zesty feel of life, like what one encounters in the crisp clean country air, is not there; I can imagine that a person from the dirty dingy confines of a polluted city would find the construct very comforting or enlightening even.
Overall, I would not consider it a suitable energy construct for healing purposes, and the location of the chakras is not balanced for the intestines; stabilizing the chakras as noted on the site may cause intestinal troubles in the long run (20 to 40) years (for some, sooner). [intuited from the feel of it, and on the assumption that chakras affect such things]
However, as a conceptual tool for philosophical education regarding spiritualism it seems quite well geared for--with the "rings of do not pass" representing the limits of the physical body and spiritual body to go beyond those realms. Unfortunately, for those who are in the physical body this becomes little more than esoteric knowledge of what may be, and when it is applied to the actual body of energy that is human--quite limiting, even from a philosophical standpoint.

There is a great deal of textual knowledge on the site. One could spend a lifetime studying the subjects that have been written on, and creating mental and energy constructs using the exercises mentioned (which have obviously come from textual studies). Moreover, I can see how the creation of the constructs in the exercises would help people in various ways--if for nothing else than to develop their mental skills of visualization, focus, concentration, attention, and subtle-energy manipulation (if that is the focus of intention when they commit them). Unfortunately, the exercises from "qt the power to heal" book produce stronger results--faster--especially if done daily for 20mins to an hour. "Faster" as in within a couple of weeks, and so far no negative spiritual results--in fact, very many positive ones.

I have been as positive as I could (and remain honest). I'm fairly sure that the Hemetic order has helped many to avoid complete spiritual ignorance, and perdition. Unfortunately, I perceive that it is from the old order--as with many religions--it has become cast, so to speak.

Too much study and not enough embracing of life (either one) brings fetidness rather than enlightenment.

CORRECTION
Well, in one way I was wrongly negative, and in another I may have been too positive.
Upon viewing the location of the intestinal chakra in the chart, and reading the notes of where it is located, I moved mine down; this could be the reason for the uncomfortable feeling from the intestines. The description says it is in line with the sacrum, and the chart shows it lower than other charts I've seen; however, I saw a side-reflection of myself (sense then) and I noticed that, indeed, where I felt my intestinal chakra (if that is what it is) was in line with the sacrum--but it feels like it is in line with the lumbar.
I began wondering why it feels like it is line with the lumbar. Bent over, as a quadraped would be, or in the fetal position--it is directly in line with the lumbar. (It just so happens that the nerve branches from the lumbar, are the main ones which go into that region as well.)
On the other side, I may have been too positive in the description of the experience. Sometimes I have spontaneous experience of my mind's eye, and visualization has never been a problem. The pond like a pond with algae floating in it (don't know if you've ever been in one and opened your eyes, but I have) except the color was a darker green than that in a pond. It was not the COLOR of mud. Still, it "felt" like a pond (without the cool temp). The hairy part is what I called "shadow energies" trying to be positive; I didn't "feel" them--I didn't let it touch me. When I activated the chakras in the arches of the feet (as described on the site) as one chakra, a black goo started growing up between my legs from the center point of what would be said chakra. It looked like crude oil in a gravity free space, wiggling like a lazy worm, but not a living thing, and it appeared to have oozed thru a very, very small hole. My mind's eye opened to see it first as a pin sized black dot, then it grew to about as big around as a sausage and up to a height about my knees. That is when I stopped the experiment of that chakra set-up. I didn't really feel scared of it, but I wasn't going to let it touch me (especially, since all the seers I've heard say black goo is bad) and it took a couple of days to work it out of my field. I perceived it as dark energy, but I called it "shadow energy" (there is quite a difference). [shadow is more positive than dark.]
Note: although I saw this in my mind's eye, and I have seen "alter realms" on occasion before--I have never "seen" auras or chakras except in a dream--and I couldn't "see" them during this exercise either.

So, on the brighter side (I understand jokes aren't aloud on the yahoo quantum touch forum, glad I'm not there). Maybe I'm just a spiritually retarded idiot in some alter realm who wandered into a pond at the moment I was doing this, and almost got wrapped up and dissolved by a muck monster.
On the darker side, maybe it was some kind of demon from the netherworlds sneaking up to grab me, pull me down, bind me, and take over my body and mind in the here (since I'm an energy blind idiot) but my subconcious let me see what it sees just in time. Whoo-wee! That would have been a fight. Once I figured out how to break the binds of that black goo wrapping around me after pulling me into the nethers, I would have to figure out how to fight it off until, I was back in the light. Even then, the goo would be all over my bio-field--eating holes through it like I'd been acid slimed. [It really does that, you know?]

Well, thankfully, like Mark Twain said, "The most horrible things I've ever experienced never happened to me."

I have a new rhyme now also:
Don't activate
The lower eight
or things may not be so great

[I wonder if that rhymes as well in Chinese and Sanskrit]

**PS-It was also like having an energy rubber band around both my ankles when walking while the two arch chakras were joined.
Any of you "seers" have any better idea what the black goo was than I do?

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