What do people think of the prices increases for the S/C course.

495 dollars ($645 Sept. 1, 2008)
550 Euros (599 Euros Sept. 1, 2008)
379 Pounds (499 Pounds Sept. 1, 2008)

I know that prices haven't gone up for a long time, BUT, is this the sort of thing QT Instr's., should have to sell, when they get no direct benefit?
At this time of major financial difficculties for all people, charging an extra 100 whatever, seem a little short sighted to say the least.

And now there is a European trainer (so no one need fly in from the States) should the prices be so high anyway?

I think it will be difficult to sell two day courses at this price.

A company has to make a profit in order to remain a viable business concern. And we instructors DO benefit. If our headquarters remains in the Quantum-Touch business, we remain in the Quantum-Touch business.

Each of us makes our own decision regarding value. I've had to travel to the advanced courses that I've taken. That's more than doubled the cost for me. Even so, it's been worth it to me.

I think these increase is far to steep. If you compare the currency you will find that it is cheaper in the US than in other parts of the world. Why is that? It's the same workshop!!!!!!
We all have to travel!
I think that headquarters should reconsider the increase. In my opinion it's the message board, the basic instructors and practitioners who do the wast majority of the footwork in regards in advertising Quantum-Touch. So how can headquarters justify the increase? And to top it off it is Alain and Jody who come up with these tremendous advance workshops (Core Transformation). A bit of glossy QT homepage doesn't justify it. I think there should be a reality check.

Einar

The people who travel the most for the advanced classes are the Instructors who teach those classes. Cost of travel & lodging has gone up dramatically, as we all know. IMHO, they do us all a huge service by living out of suitcases and spending hours in airports and hotel rooms, away from home, so people can learn this work.

I agree with Cris...Nobody wants to see costs going up, but businesses must make a profit to stay alive, and I for one don't want to see Quantum Touch go extinct, ever! I think these increases are a reflection of the general economy. The exchange rate on the U.S. dollar has a lot to do with prices in other countries, too.

I think QT staff does everything they can to keep costs down, and are not getting rich on the price increase. My two cents.

Blessings.

I thought QT prices were high in comparison to Qigong.
For the Basic Video workshop, I buy the DVDs ($125) and furnish space. Out of the $90 charge, I get $40 and QT corporate gets $50. Practitioners-to-be document their work, pay for the courses and corporate charges $200 to process the paperwork. I tried to give a Video workshop and no one registered. Now, if I wanted to be certified, I'd probably take a class for $150 and get certified. I had planned to go for instructor and noticed that the Supercharging class that was to happen in September got moved out to November - if I had booked a cheap flight to Reagan International, I'd have been out the money.

Supreme Science Qigong OTOH, has four-day course for levels 1-3 for $70. We had live music at the end of the day and during lunch. They had quite a production crew that handled the music and lighting, taking pictures and videos. I bought all the DVDs for Levels 1-3,manual, Food Healing DVDs and accompanyingbook etc for $340 - even got a teeshirt included.
Instructor for level one takes two one-day in-person tests for $70 per day ($140 total) and no extra charge for the certificate. My individual test for day 2 was around 45 minutes where I led the class and two instructors judged my work. Total cost to be a certified Level 1 Instructor is $210 plus meals, travel and lodging. My profile will be on the www.qigong.com website to promote my business. I've found several people who are interested in taking a Qigong class.
For our final testing day for level one, they had to test in two shifts: 6am - 2pm and 2pm - 10pm. I was on the late shift. We finished at midnight. Judging instructors worked from 6am to midnight and everyone still had energy - amazing.
Level 2 Instructor is a five-day course at Sunny Isles (near Miami Beach) for $395 - there are four parts of certification. Level 2 focuses on Food Healing System and breath empowerment, 9-breath circle plus Level 2 standing form. We are also provided with a business model that has brought success to Jeff with Supreme Science qigong. Cost for Level 2 - $395 plus meals, travel, lodging. Although they say the day is 9 - 6, we stay until the job is done. I've purchased the 3HP blender for the food healing system. Now I just need to take time to do Level 2.
I get to teach my classes without paying Supreme Science corporate anything. I don't know how much instructors get paid when they assist Jeff at the four-day events or testing days. There are usually 100+ instructors at every event. We enjoy the energy and good feelings. There are smiles and talking all over the place. It's the first time I've been somewhere where nobody is a stranger.

I've taken Level 4 - $70 for five hours - day after Level 1 instructor training.

There are 550 Level One instructors, 82 Level 2, and around 50 Level 3 Workshop facilitators. I don't know what happens for level 3.

Spring Forest Qigong - I bought level 2 DVDs and manual for $60 and Level 2 for $105. Level 2 focuses on healing. I've found that the method of Spring Forest healing fits better - he can be sitting, standing or lying down. For QT, he wants to lay down in bed and it's uncomfortable for me to position my hands. For SFQ, I just do 3-5 sweeps down with my hands while using my mind to intend healing.
My blood pressure has been the best it ever was for the past two days. My husband's blood sugar was under 100 twice yesterday. Will see is this is a quirk over time and what contributed to these good readings. There is no certification for practitioners - goal being "a healer in every family". They are beginning a program to certify instructors.

I also notice that QT instructors retake Level One so many times. Yes they can take the advanced courses, but they have to take so many Level One classes in order to qualify for Instructor. They keep retaking Level one course over and over - 2 times for practioner and 2 times more for intructor - Level One and one advanced course. Each year instructors need to take Level One class again. They only teach Level One. QT gets a percentage of the instructor's income for processing paperwork.

Supreme Science Qigong instructor certification is usually done at instructor events. They believe it's necessary to see the person in action in front of a class. However, some instructors are allowed to certify, provided they get an okay from Jeff. They want high quality instructors. I must have put in 100 hours to prepare for Level One certification.

QT may have to come up with a different model.

Jen
www.LiveByTheGulf.com

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Unfortunately, when a movement of creative ideas gives birth to a structure to develop and spread those ideas, the structure often becomes self-perpetuating, even at the expense of the initial impulse. Let's hope that doesn't happen to QT.

Supreme Science Qigong uses an entirely different model. It's only $70 because there were 1700 or 1800 people in Orlando, for example. Also the 90 or so instructors who were assisting were there as unpaid volunteers, using their own funds for travel expenses. We didn't get any one-on-one instruction. Also, I got that the end point of Supreme Science's message was the spiritual/religious aspect. I, personally, had to ignore that aspect to get out of it what I wanted. Quantum-Touch and Supreme Science Qigong are totally different missions and models.

Good thing Quantum-Touch provides this message board for us to network with and to learn from each other or we wouldn't have a forum to complain about Headquarters.

I don't complain about Headquarters but I agree with one point and think there should be a different way.
Complaints are not constructive and I hope headquarters pick up on this subject. I think practitioners should pay an annual fee lets say $150 after paying the initial $300. It is fair, ones you start earning with Quantum-Touch.
I ain,t a practitioner yet but I'm willing to pay an annual fee as soon I'm one and don't see anything wrong with this.

Einar

good assessment, jen. i, too, have had similar experiences with other modalities, not only in terms of price, but also effectiveness. and that's an important point.

what i'm saying is that the weekend courses don't always seem to provide enough background information and practice time to enable us to go out and start working with the material immediately. for example, in my experience the core weekends cover too much material too quickly. they left me, and some others i’ve spoken to, feeling unprepared to go out and do the work. despite practicing on my own and with others, i feel i need to take both core one and two again in order to implement what i learned, which is not a good feeling at any price. that being said, i think the material is exceptional and i really want to be able to use it!

as a professional healing practitioner and astrologer, i have had to rethink my fees and, after raising them at the beginning of the year, have gone back to my old rates - better to have clients than not! so i agree about q-t perhaps needing to rethink its model and i would add rethinking the way in which the core courses are taught, as well.

namaste, roberta

Einar:I disagree, if a corp. doesn't get any complaints, it doesn't mean that everything is 'hunky/dorry'.
I accept any complaints I get. Even the one's that aren't constructive. If someone has a legitimate complaint, and doesn't register it, the corp. is that much poorer.
There is a an old sales saying, 'a disatisfied customer tells 10 people, a satisfied customer tells 3 people'.
I dont know how much HQ staff earn, but I am sure they work hard for it.

I would like to see more DEMOCRACY in QT organisation. It is the Pract and the Instr's that provide QT with ALL its income.

I feel we have the right to be consulted about changes to the QT setup, price changes, policy changes etc. We may be poorer without QT organisation, BUT QT can't survive without us.

Perhaps Instructors should realise the power of the influence they can have in the organisation.

I don't think you are going to find much support for an annual tax on Pract. They are enough people pirating the QT trademark by calling themselves Pract after only taking on course as it is.

This would not apply toInstr as they send QT 10% of their income already.

You say your not a pract yet, will you want to pay $150 p.a. from your earnings when you are?

$150 is a suggestion and yes I'm willing to pay an annual fee as long as the workshops are/ stay affordable. Right now I get the impression they are not. I'm glad that I did both Core workshops last year.
I agree with you that practitioners and instructors should have some influence in the structure, policy of QT. I hope this will happen one day (NOW!!).
We may open a new post in QT general discussion with this topic and continue there. What do you think?

Einar

Yes, as this doesn't seem to get so much exposure

Louise, your additional point remind me other items.

I also notice that QT sets the price on what the instructors charge and the healing circles. I believe the healing circle is worth at least $10 per person. Yet from what I've read, the leader is to provide it free - and only charge or ask for contributions if the space is rented.

I've heard there is also an agreement that must be signed upon becoming a practitioner to provide free services if the person is too poor to pay for it.

I didn't think the Instructor-led class was worth $295. This has nothing to do with the individual instructor. Looked like instructors follow a guideline - step by step. There seemed to be more talking than doing just like the DVD - as evidenced by only 4 hours practicum credit. Most of the material is covered on the DVD. The value of the class is the group communication and the practice sessions on others and ourselves. Healing circles may provide a lot of this.

The Instructor thing reminds me of self-perpetuating income. Seems that each person is willing to pay the $295 (or $150 for each successive class), because they need it to become certified for practitioner. If they become instructors, they too will be able to charge $295 (or $150 for subsequent classes). Many of their students will be those that want to become practitioners or instructors. Corporate uses the certification process to create a need for the Level One instructor-led classes.

When I took Healing Touch Level One, we spent most of our time going through different techniques. There was always time for questions. Background and introduction was given on the first evening. On Saturday and Sunday, we seemed to go from one technique after another. The instructor would demonstrate on another student or her assistant, and then we'd try it on each other. It felt like I learned a lot - more than I could handle at one time. The manual handout covered what we did in class - so when we got home, we could go over what we didn't remember. What I remember the most is how I felt - I felt so much love towards others and the group. We really bonded and had a peak experience. I was able to open up conversations with strangers at the Hampton Inn. Ended up meeting someone who knew Judith Urquart (Unitarian Minister) that was an important part of my personal growth in 1979. I met so many interesting people at the Hampton Inn with wonderful conversations. My husband and others made positive comments. One person even wanted me to speak before a group. I believe it cost $350 for the two days and the evening before. That was around 2003 give or take a year.

Jen
www.LiveByTheGulf.com

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Einar suggested we start this topic in another area where there is more exposure. Could you just post a note referring them to this area so we don't lose our thread of thought.

Jen
www.LiveByTheGulf.com

The Instructors etc. are not providers of ALL QT Corp. income. There are book and DVD sales in the QT store, and Richard's book is sold by booksellers. There may be other sources unknown to us, which is fine with me. Some possibilities for any entity are speaker's fees, foundations, grants and donations.

I fulfill the obligations of my contract with QT, and they have been very fair and congenial to me. That being the case, I am content to see them manage THEIR business as they need to do and choose to do. They know what they need in order to make a reasonable profit, and they work hard for that. I really doubt that they are getting filthy rich & rolling in money at the expense of the QT community. Making critical judgements about it from afar and without full knowledge, (financial knowledge that nobody outside of corporate is entitled to know!) isn't where I want to expend my energy.

Instructors follow a curriculum when they teach the Basic class, so that everyone taking that course gets the same material. Teachers in every school must follow the curriculum to remain accredited. Why does this bother you? There must be some uniformity in what is taught.

Businesses are not democracies. Unless a corporation is publicly owned, they just aren't democracies. In a democracy, everyone gets to vote on everything. The U.S. is not a democracy either, it is a republic, wherein we elect representatives to vote on our behalf, since democracy is so terribly cumbersome and unmanageable. Anyone who isn't a listed officer of the business has no clear right to be consulted about anything concerning the operation of the business. Everyone who isn't an officer of the business is either a consumer (customer) or a subcontractor, which is what Practitioners and Instructors are, subcontractors. Subcontractors are obligated to the terms of their contracts only, and have no voice in management other than what is stated in the contract. If they violate those terms there are consequences which are clearly stated. For those of you who have not signed a QT contract, please allow for the possibility that what you think is in the contract may be incorrect.

It is what it is. Nobody is forcing anyone to do business with Quantum Touch. Everyone is free to take their practice and business wherever they feel comfortable. I'm eternally grateful and delighted that they have brought the work into the world, and that's where I leave it to rest. I want Quantum Touch to succeed, for much more than financial reasons.

Blessings to all.

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