A couple weeks ago, the thought suddenly came to me that the layers of copper, silver, and gold inside of the body, surrounded and separated as they are with organic material, make an excellent orgon accumulator (google "orgon accumulator"). So, assuming that Chi and Orgon are the same, we have thereby established a Chi generator inside of the body when we do the 12-color meditation.

In my experience orgon and Chi are different in how they look act and are used.

Your idea is interesting but I need time to play with this one.

I agree with Alain about the orgon chi. In my experience, I have seen orgone, I have never "seen" chi (as far as I know).
Also, from my readings, they are used quite differently, however orgone has been assumed to be translatable/transformable/assimilatable into chi, and healing energy--but it is a much more 'raw' form of 'present' energy.

Still, from what I read here, the 12 color meditation and 12 color applications do generate chi in or thru the body.
(I still haven't got the supercharge book to find out for sure)

I'm not sure whether chi is actually generated by the the 12 color meditation, but I do know that when I focus on each color, I feel a sensation of energy filling my body. I don't know if that's literally what happens - Alain says the 12-color meditation improves the flow of energy in the body, so that may be what I'm actually experiencing.

Okay so I have read about Orgone and Chi on the wikipedia pages... and... i'm having great difficult understanding their differences. Orgone is universal energy... but isn't chi also the same?

Can somebody define to me what is Chi and then what is Orgone so that I can see the difference?

Also, whenever you look at the sky and you see those millions of silver & black tailed fleeting dots.. is that chi/orgone? These dots move faster the sunnier it is.. and slower if it's smoggy.

Orgone, to me, looks a lot bigger than chi, chi is more dot like and orgone looks more like the size of a dime in comparison. It appears hollow, yet brighter somehow in its center and is very bright (white bright) and like a circle that is 2 dimensional but has a 3D sense to it. There are more subtleties to its form, but they are hard to put into words.

Those are some awesome descriptions, one day I will see what you see, yay! But i'm still not sure what orgone is supposed to be.

I don't know that much about it, but I do know it was described by Wilhelm Reich, the psychiatrist, who I believe died in prison because of his discovery of it and experiments with it and focus on it in his psychotherapy work. He associated it with sexual energy, as well as being a form of lifeforce in a more general way.

Alain - how did you know that what you were seeing was orgone?

Orgone energy from orgonite feels more edgy and less refined to me than the chi that comes from QT or Reiki. Orgone energy reminds me of the raw energy that is inherant in the earth and atmoshere. I think filtering the earths energy through the human body via QT compassion/love changes it for the better.

Steve

Orgone is easiest to see against a blue sky.

How did I know? One day I was watching energy in the sky and saw these unusual things and asked what they were and I heard "orgone" energy. At the time it just seemed obvious. As they say "more things on Heaven and Earth".

As far as uses goes I think Qi is easier to use and focus than orgone energy.

Others may disagree, but that is my opinion.

Hi everyone,

As I understand it: Universal energy has many vibrational levels: orgone is on the level that duality (polarity?) is recognized. People that can see orgone describe it same as Alain- as glowing floating orbs with shineier nucleus.

For the first orgone accumulators Reich invented (large as room) which was used for healing purposes - it was observed that after a while become stagnant - and that orgone becomes DOR – death orgone, which then instead of helping healing and supporting life- begin to have detrimental effects on live beings. DOR energies are commonly observed around nuclear plants and many electric-transformations – stations and plants. Yet, DOR energy can be transformed back to its positive influence - orgone state-again, which is achieved when FLOW is re-established (mainly through devices composed of materials which won't be, hm, easily affected by its detrimental state).
Description of DOR is not so precise: it varies from orb-like structures with spikes, through orbs with wholes or dark spots – as though part of orb is missing; to some strange, uneven geometric shapes.

Form of energy where duality isn't observed yet (as far as I know) is called TACHYON.

When exposed to orgone I wouldn’t say that I’m charged with it but that it affects my energy, allowing better flow and other changes that are result of that. If we are speaking of energy that we utilize through QT, then I would describe it as a subtler – more profound in effects to humans than orgone.

About word CHI: it is used to describe many different types of energy, both in terms of quality (soft – sharp), emanation of different structures (human Chi, shape Chi, landscape Chi) and its effects on human (good Chi- Bad Chi).
Is it a same energy? Probably yes. Do we experience it in many ways? –Yes, again.

Re: accumulation of energy in human body.
Higher levels of energy is established through continuous energy FLOW which as a result form accompanying field of high vibrations, which is larger as flow is stronger and thus we may say it «contains» more energy. When we say we have more energy we are only more open to its flow.
It is not that humans can accumulate energy in a same manner as any material thing – to collect it in order to have it more.
That’s my 2 cents.

With Love
Jelena

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Universal energy has many vibrational levels

My guess is that Chi, Orgone, and Tachyon are different resonant frequencies of the Strings (of energy, they say) of which everything in the universe is composed. When you say "levels", are you thinking of amplitude or frequency?

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DOR energy can be transformed back to its positive influence ... through devices composed of materials which won't be ... affected by its detrimental state

Inclusion of quartz crystals in an orgone accumulator is supposed to eliminate DOR from the output.

Hi,
levels=both amplitude and frequency.
As I understand it - you can't eliminate energy - you can only transform it, and yes, quartz is used for that.

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Originally posted by Antranik:
Okay so I have read about Orgone and Chi on the wikipedia pages... and... i'm having great difficult understanding their differences. Orgone is universal energy... but isn't chi also the same?

Can somebody define to me what is Chi and then what is Orgone so that I can see the difference?

Also, whenever you look at the sky and you see those millions of silver & black tailed fleeting dots.. is that chi/orgone? These dots move faster the sunnier it is.. and slower if it's smoggy.

Chi is a more personal to the body it belongs--thus different kinds of chi for different body part: skin, bones, muscle, orgons, systemic.
Also, an extension of chi in nature: for a landscape, a mountain, a forest, a grove, a meadow, etc (each one with it's own chi)
"Chi" is life, or the signature of life to a thing or area.
Chi--as noted--however, is usually the chi of the human body.

Orgone, is an energy mostly observed in the atmosphere, but people have developed technology to collect it, and use it for healing purposes--much the way iridium radiation in the mines was used to ease pain.

I thought the guy who invented the accumulators was imprisoned for practicing medicine without a license. Also, one of the founders of orgone (if not the same guy) thought the aliens were coming here to steal it, because it is important to keep a planet from dying.

Orgone could be the planet's chi using the extended definitions of chi. It could also be the energy responsible for causing the primordial ooze to come to life--BUT life is chi; the "energy" of a landscape, or grove may not be chi, chi refers to the life 'energy' of the thing.

In actuality, life is not energy, anymore than matter is mind--or vis-versa. "Energy" as used here would most likely translate into latin as "magic."


OH! As for the things you see when you gaze at the open sky--I would really have to experience it to know, but the description matches that of one version of what science calls "phosphenes"--a visual phenomena of the eyes as they focus and the nerve cycles. They could very well be you seeing the energy as it passes through your eyes, or it could be you seeing (blurry) a blood cell move through a centriole on your retina. Another form of phosphenes, and most common, is when you rub your eyes.
If you hit your head hard enough to jar it, and then you see more of them, it is probably phosphenes rather than orgone.

Orgone to the regular eye looks a great deal like the haze from water vapor on a clear day. In an accumulator it looks like the haze has been accumulated in the dark box.


I never heard of DAR before, but any "energy" not kept flowing and exchanging becomes stagnant and loses any life it may contain--even chi. I hear that unfractured quartz crystals will actually (scientifically) draw the photons of energy particles up them and off their points, but if the crystals are fractured the flow of particles is interupted and they blow out and drop away from the crystal. [This is from an experiment done with light and magnetic resonance.] Therefore, it could be that unflawed quartz crystals would keep the orgone circulating in an accumulator. That stagnation is what actually caused me to know orgone was not chi, it wasn't alive--living energy moves.
One's body can accumulate chi to an amazingy extent, but the actual "feel" of chi comes from an increase or change in it's flow and exchange.

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Hi Anto,

I see something similar to what you describe.

If I focus on an area in the sky, I initially see faint discs of light. These resolve,after a little while, into small points of light that move in short curved paths (of random and independent direction) before disappearing, as others appear elsewhere.

They do seem to be like the stars that appear with knock on the head - except that they only appear in the sky, and the phenomena stops at the horizon. I've looked, and I've never seen any in the air below the horizon. To me, that means that they are an external phenomena. Couldn't tell you what though - I'll have to ask!

Regards,


John