Thanks Pinky,
Mieke Burger looks very interesting! I'm ordering the Burmeister book first, and then maybe this one later. Thanks again for the great info!

Blessings,
Alfred

Sat up in bed last night and decided to give it a whirl. I think I overenergized my self because I couldn't sleep afterwards! I guess it does something!

Steve

Hi Susie and Steve,

Susie, Super idea and yes I have noticed it works too. This way you can make all sorts of combinations. For example if you combine SEL 25 + 11 both sides its very good for detoxification, worrying etc. (I posted 2 attachements with pictures of all the SEL's still have to give you the names of all 26 points )

I made a long list with the corresponding SEL's from the 3 books I have for all sorts of conditions. I so wish I knew how to post it as an attachement but I do not know how to and anyway it is probably much to long. I could send it via PM though but have to do some translating first. I would love to do it.

Oh Steve so sorry my fault should have mentioned not to do it in the evening. If you have more nights like this try holding your thumb and the mouse of the hand with one hand in a very soft way it might help. (thumb = stomach,spleen)

[quote]I'll tell them I sat with my hands on my butt![quote]
So its butt and not bottom, glad to know.

Live simply.
Love generously.
Care deeply.
Speak kindly.

Pinky

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Hi Pinky,

Thank you as always for your wonderful information. You are a resource.

I think I too am going to get Burmeister's book. I found this out about her.

Mary Burmeister brought the healing art of Jin Shin Jyutsu to America from Japan. As a young woman, she met Master Jiro Murai, who asked if she would take something to America for him. She replied, “Yes!” little realizing at the time the implications of his request.

Mary taught Jin Shin Jyutsu classes for many years and is now retired. Her students carry on her teaching work, offering classes in the Art.
There are practitioners of Jin Shin Jyutsu all over the world.

This is something I would be interested in adding to my tools.

Much Love,

Pinky I have the three booklets, got them back in 1995 - worked with them at the time for a while and then referred to them from time to time.

Thanks for the tip of using 25 with 11, tried it and could feel the energy flow right away.

The following info -

You have inspired me to re-read the books.


Thanks again
Susie

OK, Pinky! What is the mouse of the hand? And is this something that can be done if you have insomnia?

Hi Tweasel,

The mouse of the hand is the part in wich the the thumb Hmmmm how to explain ?????? without a picture??????

I'll start again.
You have a thumb.
At the inside of the hand - the palm - just under the thumb is a mountain like soft part. That's the mouse of the hand in which is a Spleen point. You can compare it with a chicken drumstick.

It can help with insomnia. I have used it on and off like this.... laying in my soft warm bed..... I feel Angel arms around me and hold my thumb.( ever so gently ) siiiiigh

The thumb stands for worrying (stomach, spleen)so holding it softly releases the worrying and you gently snooze away. I have been the worrying kind. You know..... mothers

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There are 2 more SEL's you can use for insomnia they are SEL 4 and 21.
4= just at the underside of your scull. It is called the Window
21=just under your cheekbones. It is called Profound Security

SEL 4. There are 2 ways to do this: Put one hand on the right SEL 4 and one hand on the left SEL 4. In Yin Shin it is not important to hold exatly the SEL point for it covers a larger area. You hold these points just for a few minutes.
SEL 21. The same way with SEL 21. Again one hand on left SEL 21 and one hand on right SEL 21.

The second way is to put your left hand on right SEL 4 and right hand on SEL 21 a few minutes and than right hand on left SEL 4 and left hand on right SEL 21 again a few minutes.
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LIGHTLIGHTLIGHT pINKY

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Hi, Alfred & Pinky - Just noticed this interesting thread!

The three self-help books are good, but best in the context of a good self-help class. The three actual texts for the five-day class are worthless without taking the five-day class. "The Touch of Healing" is designed as a real, stand-alone practical introduction to Jin Shin Jyutsu that gives a very good sense of the underlying theory and cosmology and practical ways to use it. I think you'd get a lot out of it, Alfred.

The only way to get an in-depth knowledge of it is to take a five-day class. (Like QT classes, Jin Shin Jyutsu classes are taught all over the world.) They are reasonably priced for a five-day class, but nevertheless, pricey at nearly $800. It's definitely worth it if you are ready to really delve into it.

But it's not the sort of thing to take if you have the fantasy that after you take it, you will have grasped Jin Shin Jyutsu. You have to take three 5-day classes to become a Practitioner, and this is by no means a frivolous requirement. By the end of the first 5-day class, you will have a headache because of all the information you've been trying to digest! (So far, there are NO exceptions to that according to everyone I've talked to...) By the third class, you can really start to grasp it.

But definitely very valuable!

I'd never heard of the Dutch book, Pinky - have to say, my impression from reading what is presented about it on Mieke Bergen's website is that it seems more about presenting Mieke Bergen's riff on Jin Shin Jyutsu than Jin Shin Jyutsu per se. There's a deep spiritual and mystical core to Jin Shin, but I don't think I would have recognized that's what she was talking about if JSJ wasn't specifically mentioned.

I notice she is not listed as an Instructor or in any formal relationship with the JSJ organization - did she used to be? There have been a number of people who have gone off and started their own schools based on JSJ which the JSJ Inc. people feel have sort of half-gotten it. That doesn't mean that what they are teaching isn't valuable (I think both Jin Shin Do and High touch, which are off-shoots, have their own great takes) - but it's not necessarily expressing about Jin Shin Jyutsu what Jin Shin Jyutsu, Inc. would totally agree with, although a few years ago they consciously chose to take a live-and-let-live attitude about the various offshoots.

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Hi Jocelyn,

The book I read of Mieke Berger goes much deeper into the spiritual side of Jin Shin than the selfhelp books, wich I really like.She does tell about all the 26 points and their deeper spititual meaning. And I know She has completely gotten it.

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I agree but it is just a website

Mieke Berger has a close relation with Mary and Alice Burmeister she has met them severall times. She is a very high evolved spiritual person.

I agree,to really learn a class is ofcourse best but as long as you can'nt go or pay the price for a class the selfhelp books are great and you can get a long way.

Love, Light and Happines Pinky

Hi, Pinky -

Yes, I agree that the books are truly helpful! I didn't mean to imply that the self-help books are second best. In fact, I wanted to convey that The Touch of Health, in particular, might be exactly what Alfred was looking for if he wanted to get a good introduction to what JSJ is all about, as well as some practical tips to put some of the major insights and techniques into use - and that a 5-day class might be more than he was bargaining for! (Though a self-help class could be great...) (Realizing I said it much better here! )

Also, realizing I poorly conveyed my thoughts about Mieke Berger - did not want to convey something was wrong with her character or spiritual depths - just that everyone has their own filter, and she was conveying what JSJ is through a very strong filter of advaita vedanta, and I didn't want Alfred to have the impression that the real flavor of Jin Shin Jyutsu was being conveyed in the passages presented.

I do see that what I wrote could be reasonably taken as a put-down of Mieke Berger's understanding, and I didn't mean it that way. I apologize for my unskillful words.

I just wanted to confirm to anyone interested in finding out more about JSJ that Touch of Healing would give them a totally JSJ point of view about JSJ.

Hi jocelyn,

Love you and thanks Indeed I did not get your meaning. And the Touch for Healimg is indeed very good.
Love Pinky

Hi

Has anyone tried to hold SEL 25 and doing the 12 colours at the same time? I did this morning it is I must say very good. Feels good I also used the UNAN.

Live simply.
Love generously.
Care deeply.
Speak kindly.

Pinky

ok I'm gonna give this a try. hey I should try my voice activated browser since I can't use my hands hahahahahah.

Ven

Okay, my palms don't reach my sits bone. My arms are too short? I wonder does it still work if I only get my fingers on the sits bone? I don't feel much different after 20 minutes. 'Course I've been exhausted just coming off from working 10 to 12 hours a day for 12 days straight....

Hi Cris,

My goodness that is a long time working, You must be very tired. Do you have any days rest now?

Sure its okay to just use your fingers for in Jin Shin you do'nt have to place your hands exactly on the spot for the energy reaches a bigger area than just the SEL point. You could even visualise or feel imaginary hands on the SEL 25 and an other pair of hands on another SEL point 11, the picture of all the SEL points is on an earlier post with attachement saying Jin Shin back.

Love, Light and Happines Pinky