Hi Everyone,

I have been working as a pharmacist in the UK for over 4 years and I have to say I have grown incredibly disillusioned with our present health care system.

I decided to take a break a few years back and learned a lot about natural healing and in paticular nutrition, quantum healing and ayurveda.

Over the last year or so I have started to have some amazing results by trying out some techniques within the pharmacies that I was working.

I started to actual heal patients gradually without them needing to take drugs. I had fantastic results in the areas of obesity, depression, and chronic disease.

I am actually writing a book based on my results right now that will give my actions plans that I gave to many of my patients that I healed.

As part of my research I decided to conduct a small personal survey with my patients to see what their thoughts were on our present health system in the UK. Their feedback was alarming.

• 8/10 patients felt the doctor didn’t have time for them and were confused at the number of drugs they had to take.

• 8/10 patients were suffering from or had suffered from a side effect of taking medication


• 9/10 patients would prefer not taking any drugs at all.

• 10/10 patients felt that they had very little information on their ilness and would love to have a simple system that would help them to get better without drugs.

My question to this forum is do you share any of the same thoughts of the patients I surveyed?

It would be grateful to know your thoughts and whether you have any personal natural healing stories to share with me.

Thanks

Nij

This post is disturbing, because you outright claim that you have healed people. Here, we hold a different view.

In Quantum Touch, we do not heal anyone, knowing that all healing is self healing, and that the real healer is ALWAYS the person who was ill. The PRACTITIONER only has the ability to offer a higher vibration to a client, and then the natural and well-known physical principles of resonance and entrainment occur. This triggers self-healing in ways not fully understood. We never take credit for healing someone, & it is a strong point of our teachings that this is so. In EVERY case, we strongly advise that the client be under the care of licensed medical practitioners.

We don't diagnose and we do not treat, because these are the privilege of licensed health care people. As a pharmacist you may have certain legal rights in the UK, so I add that as a caveat to the discussion. But do you legally diagnose, and do you legally treat? Doctors have patients...we have clients, a big difference.

That being said, your research about attitudes of your respondents regarding drugs & medical systems is probably mostly accurate. People, for the most part, want to take the minimum medicine possible, want the best information possible, and many are coming to the realization that healing arts (energy medicine for one) and conventional medicine work best when practiced in sensible combination. To diagnose and "treat" here in the US without a medical license is a felony crime called "practicing medicine without a license," and is punishable in every state. Hence, we are very careful about claims of performing personal healing.

I've been doing energy work for a long time, & have many positive outcomes among my clients, but "I" have never healed anyone. I offer...they heal.

"Well done" to you on the research and on the client outcomes.....please consider re-thinking who is the "healer." Love to you.

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Hi Ali,

I am sorry to have implied that I actually healed my patients myself.

I merely gave information to them, and those who acted upon it gradually healed themselves or managed their conditions far more effectively than when they were solely taking medication.

Thanks for pointing that out to me and I appreciate the feedback. I would love to know more about what you do. I am still learning so very interested in other peoples experiences

I was merely reading your words. "I started to heal patients...." and "the patients that I healed." That doesn't leave room for much interpretation, as it's a direct statement, so I took you at your word.

I'm glad to know that you're aware of the difference, and thanks so much for the reply.

I do QT 95% of the time when I do sessions, all levels from Basic & Supercharging through Core Transformation 2. The rest of the time I use a combination of either Reconnective Healing and Vogel crystal work, and at times I will use two or three of the methods in the same session. I lean heavily on my medical knowledge gained from doing anesthesia in the operating room for 40 years.

Knowledge of anatomy, physiology, illness syndromes & pharmacology help me immeasurably in every session without exception. I provide my clients with many visualization techniques gleaned from my years of doing hypnosis. I do NOT EVER hypnotize my clients, but do teach them powerful & vivid visualization scenarios to help them deal with pain, anxiety and other issues. They can take these techniques away and use/expand on them as they wish. I have worked on these visualization techniques for many years & I believe in them strongly as easily-learned & powerful "helpers" in the work.

Hope this helps....Love to you and thanks again.

Hi Quantum Health,
The basic procedure described in Richard Gordon's book "Quantum Touch" is so simple that it is easily dismissed as impossible. I strongly suggest you get a copy and try it; I think you'll be surprised at its effectiveness.

Hi, Quantum Health! I have actually taken a few surveys rather like that myself. I have found that people do not like drugs. It's not like it was 10-15 years ago. I really think the requirement here that the ph. companies put the side effects in their ads, has really turned people against drugs. They would have done better not to advertise at all, I think, just as it used to be when they weren't allowed to advertise. People didn't pay any attention to side effects then!

I've recommended herbs to people at work over the years for different things, and never once has one of them not worked. They were thrilled not to take the drugs. (One of my favorites is crampbark, for any kind of muscle spasms.) (I always tell people to dump out most of the capsule the first time they take it, and half of it the second time, to make sure they don't have any kinds of reactions to them; so far no one has.)

Everyone in my family has rarely been to the doctor in the last 12 years or so, as we now take care of almost everything herbally. Now, I can also do QT or Reiki, and we are doing flower essences as well. We rarely even get sick anymore. My father actually died 3 years ago from complications of pneumonia and CHF. He had originally gone to the doctor and was on medications for it for a couple years, but it didn't work out for him. The doctor never wanted him to know any of his test results and was very uncooperative. Pa and the doctor both wound up firing each other. Additionally, Pa hated the medications he was on. He started taking only herbs, and did really well until my Ma gave him her bronchitis. He was sick and didn't feel like taking his herbs he needed, and that's when he got bad and later died. (When he first went in to the doctor they were in shock over his bloodwork. He'd been on cayenne, garlic, hawthorn, etc., and his BP was 120/80, his cholesterol was about 185, and his pulse was 75. What tore it with the doctor was when he found out Pa was taking hawthorn, and he couldn't make him stop. They got into a screamfest about it and fired each other! Before he died, he was in the hospital a week (that was REALLY a fight getting him in there, too!), and the nurses were all just amazed that he was 80 years old, and was not frail. He was still big and vital, and they just couldn't believe it! (He always told me red pepper would put hair on your chest!)

I'm actually very lucky, as my doctor is trained well! He always explains everything to me straight off. He always recommends natural things (like exercise and diet and vitamins) before anything else. At one time, he was actually prescribing herbs himself! He'll give you drugs if you want to go that way, but he prefers not to, and if you prefer not to also, then he really works with you. But he DEFINITELY is not the normal type doctor around these parts!

I'm really glad you've been able to help people. Good luck with it!

P.S. I thought this topic was going to be about Daleks or the Tardis or something!!!

hi Quantum Health,
It's really not necessary to apologize if you feel that you're 'the Healer' and that you 'healed' your friends.Your very intent to relieve that person from dis ease is already healing and you're therefore the healer.There's nothing wrong in your having a self affirmation of "I AM the Healer and therefore I CAN Heal this person"
But of course the founders of QT teaches us that a person self heals.I can understand very well that the founders and many QT practitioner are GOD fearing people and will never override GOD's position and that's the reason why the practitioner is never the healer.I wonder aloud if this is a requirement(that you're not the healer) for all QT practitioner to practice?

Thank you all for your wonderful responses so far.

Tweasel oak that is really interesting about your father. I always recommend a diet rich in cayenne and garlic to my patients who suffer from high blood pressure. I will definetly look into hawthorn and crampbark too.

In reference to who is the healer, I have a firm belief that we are all one and come from the same central point in the universe, therefore whoever is the healer does not make any difference to me.

I suppose then the universe is the healer, I am the healer and the healed heals himself.

I do believe also that God is not some external person, and infact God is everything that exists, we are all manifestations of God, so their is no reason to fear God in my opinion.

Infact their is nothing to fear at all except for not learning.

The big problem with the medical proffession and the big pharma is that they propogate fear. All their marketing is based around fear. Many doctors put timelines on peoples health such as "you have only got 6 weeks to live" or you only have a 60% chance of surviving.

Also have you ever taken your car to get a routine service even though your car is perfectly fine and the mechanic tells you something is wrong with it then find out a month later something else is wrong with it, and then you end up having more repairs done, then a month later your back in to fix another problem.

Well exactly the same goes with visiting the doctor these days. It is not uncommon for someone to go visit his GP, have a routine check up done, the doctor tells them their blood pressure is a little high or their cholesterol is high, then he prescribes a statin drug, a few months later they are back in for a prescription for a blood pressure medication (probably raised due to the worry of having high cholesterol) and then they are back in again a few months later to be prescribed a drug to counter act the side effects of the previous drugs, and so on and so forth.

It is quite easy for someone to come in for a routine check up one day and a year or two later to go home with a shopping bag full of drugs.

This madness has to stop. Hence my motivation to writing my book and focusing on natural healing.

I am really really motivated to getting out of pharmacy asap, I have set up a company with my friend that produces motivational tools to help people use daily affirmations and visualisations as well. Had some good feedback so far.

Talking to people like yourself gives me much hope and energy to get out of the pharmacy rut that I have been in for so long. It can be quite soul destroying when very few people in my profession get it or are supportive.

Many thanx again

My husband and I just watched an excellent movie starring Meryl Streep called "First do no harm".
When her son has a seizure and then full-blown epilepsy the doctor prescribes one drug after another trying to find the one (or combination of drugs) that will work for him.
His condition declines as he suffers numerous horrible side-effects and when the doctor mentions brain surgery, the Mom does research and finds out about the Ketogenic Diet for juvenile epileptics that helps one third of them live a drug-free, seizure-free life, and for one third greatly reduces the number of seizures.
I highly recommend the movie.

I like the way they used to do it in China and some other countries.
Pay your doctor/medicine man/shaman as long as he keeps your family healthy. If someone gets sick, payment is withheld until the patient is well again. Instead, we encourage the doctors and pharmaceutical companies to treat our symptoms and keep us coming back for more.
Quantum Health, I commend your efforts and encourage you to continue and finish. The world needs to hear your message.
As far as

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It would be grateful to know your thoughts and whether you have any personal natural healing stories to share with me.

we have a section call "Healing Stories".
Since all of Quantum-Touch is natural, you have a whole bunch of stories to read through!
Best to you.
Christina

Please keep in mind one big reason that QT Inc. (& other organizations like it) MUST emphasize that Practitioners are not the healers. If any statements or teachings are published saying that their practitioners heal, or if the Practitioners say it, they would immediately come to the attention of law enforcement agencies in every state. The laws pertinent are the ones regulating the practice of medicine.

The doctors would sue their socks off. And win. It only takes one.

The Attorneys General would issue warrants, fines would be levied, and trials may be scheduled. There would be publicity --bad publicity. Very bad publicity.

I am a staunch proponent of QT & other alternatives, a true believer, because I see it working. I want it to survive and grow. That's why I am so noisy about being careful how we state and describe what we do. One hot-shot Attorney General could kill it, and quickly, if they catch even one person stepping out of bounds legally.

Think of the joy in medical & pharmaceutical circles if such a thing would happen. Every reporter is out there beating the bushes for some new scandal. Why give them ammunition? It just behooves each of us to be mindful when we write things that go on a public message board.

OK, I'm done. Love to you all.

Certified public hugger (fantastic name by the way! Love it!) That was an awesome message, I am going to get that film out tonite! You have given me something to do this evening!

Yes China got it right in many ways, their ancient wisdom of the use of herbs, diet and intention is far superior to modern medicine in my opinion. Ayurveda from India is also very similar.

In some cases medicine and surgery are very important, esp in emergencies such as a car accident, severe burns, wide spread tumour growth etc. Some of my close friends and family have been saved by some miraculous doctors.

My problem is with general medicine and G.P's. This is where big pharma have done their dirty work and marketing has become evil. G.P's get treated very well for prescribing drugs that big pharma want to profit from. G.P's have become so bogged down with paper work, long lists of patients waiting to see them and sometimes general boredom that they have either stopped caring or stopped questioning whether what they are doing is actually helping.

Not all G.P's are the same and some are very good. Some G.P's I know now in the UK always refer their patients to natural healers first, before they are prescribed medication.

Recently I heard a really good analogy that sums it up for me,

"One day, as he's walking by a stream, a doctor hears someone yell "Help! Help!" Someone is drowing

Most people would walk past and get some help. Some would freeze and not know what to do.

Not a doctor. A doctor would jump right in, drag them out, perform CPR, pump fluids out, do mouth-mouth resuscitation.... The person survives.

But as soon as the doctor is done, guess what he hears coming from the river? TWO yells going "help!" Then 4 more yells!

Infact the doctor is so busy trying to save peoples lives now, he never has time to go upstream to see who's throwing them in...

I think there needs to be a balance, people need to learn how to take care of themselves and not be reliant on doctors for their health.

This will only change through education and transfer of knowledge which is happening dramatically thanks to the internet!

Many positive vibes to the whole forum!

Ali,

You have made a very important point, and it is true, we have to be mindful of what we say.

I am a pharmacist and not certified or trained in alternative healing methods such as Q.T.

I am just speaking on behalf of the 100's and 1000's of disillusioned pharmacists out there who have become pawns in the big drug game.

In the UK there are more pharmacists leaving the profession than joining it.

I am not talking on behalf of anyone from Q.T or any other natural healing organisation. I am just speaking from someone who cares who works within the system.

In the UK the National Health Service has become such a burden on the goverments budget that people offering advice and information on lifestyle improvement, healthy eating etc are actively encouraged see www.change4life.co.uk

The information I have been giving my patients has had the effect of healing them, not my fault, please dont shoot me for that!

If anyone in the pharmaceutical or medical profession has a problem that I have been helping my patients who have been suffering from side effects of their drugs, then they can come and get me.


I do not fear them.

I speak with conviction and always will.

Peace

No problems with helping, ever. Kudos for being a pharmacist who is doing the right thing! I come from the world of medicine and I did energy work quietly too, in an attempt to help patients. We're on the same page.

My ONLY point is that when we write words on public forums, we need to be aware of how others may interpret them...in this case, people with a vested interest in keeping alternative practitioners OUT OF THE MARKETPLACE. I took your words literally, as written. Many others may have done the same. It's about protecting some turf.

I pray you continue with the work, because it's clear that your heart and mind are in the right place, and I applaud you. You are definitely a member in good standing in The Fambly!!

Love to you.

Thanks Ali,

Kind message.

You are right, after looking at my first post it was a little naive of me to put it across in the way I did.

I hope I have cleared up my point now

Positive Vibes

Nij x

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I wonder aloud if this is a requirement(that you're not the healer) for all QT practitioner to practice?

Yes. It is a basic tenet in QT. The healer is ALWAYS the person who was sick & got well. Please review "Quantum Touch -- The Power To Heal."

Love to you.