I have had good results in reducing pain with QT, and a little success moving bones (mostly the AO adjustment), but I am not having much of any results working on scoliosis. I have two patients with this, and if I could even just get the lumbar vertebra to de-rotate, it would help them greatly.. I use the basic protocol, level the hips and head while standing. I then have them lay down and I energize the whole spine first. I place one hand on the crown of the head, the other over the sacrum, and run energy until it flows freely from top to bottom and back, then I visualize filling the bones with energy, from the pelvis up to the head. After this I start working on individual vertebra, starting at the bottom and working up.. this is where the results seem to pretty well dry up.

I have searched and read about other QT practitioners scoliosis treatments, but am at a loss how to get the bones to move.

I was wondering if I could channel the quantum touch energy from some of you who are very successful with scoliosis? Perhaps you could send me a private message, if there is a picture of you somewhere I can use to pick up your frequency, fill me in on your technique, and maybe I can channel your results for my patients..

Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions on all this? Pennie Newman

Dear Pennie,

I find that it works much better if I work with each vertebrae individually at first, rather than the entire spine at once. If that's not possible because you're bored or your thumbs hurt (as mine often do), try sandwiching a few vertebrae at a time. Also it helps sometimes to start at he neck and work your way down to the lumbar spine. If you visualize the scoliotic spine like a braid of hair, it's easier to unravel the tangle from the end than the roots. In the case of the spine, the pevis is the root as it is anchored to the ground via the legs. I personally feel that it's easier for the spine to make changes when it's upright that when the person is lying down. My theory is that the body can make the most of it's proprioceptors to align itself when it's working in gravity. If your client is in too much discomfort to stand, try having them sit for as long as possible. Save the table for last...just my opinion.

thanks Cassandra, appreciate your reply..

after I energize the whole spine, I do work one vertebra at a time.. but have not tried from the top down.. the braid idea is interesting..

these are elderly ladies, so standing for prolonged time is not feasible, but perhaps if I have them sit, facing the back of the chair and laying against that, it would be somewhat weight bearing.. hhhhhmmmmmmm thank you.. Pennie

Hi Pennie,
Before I read Cassandra's reply the same things crossed my mind.
Well actually the first thing was unless you are a doctor or other qualified medical person please do not call them patients. They are clients or healers. This protects us from being accused of claiming to practice medicine without a license.

But I agree with Cassandra on both counts. Rick and I start at the top and work down and we have the client stand as much as possible.
For elderly (or anyone for that matter) make sure they have a chair back to lean on.

And yes there is an excellent way to "channel" many of us. Here is the link to the QT CHI - the Quantum Thought Collective Healing Intention.
I have been using it, calling on it, requesting it since its conception (thank you Alfred) and it is very powerful/strong. Here's the link:
http://quantumtouch.groupee.ne...811/m/9791006842/p/1

Ah, but then I see your name on the first page so, you are already using it?
The only other thing I can think of now is to make sure when you work on them to always think of their backs as perfect and to visualize them straight.
Christina

Thanks Christina,

first, I should have explained that I am a Physical Therapist, and these are patients that I am seeing in the clinic. I am doing other things then just QT with them, working on exercises for trunk and lower extremity strength and mobility.

I usually spend about 20-30 mins on the quantum touch at the end of their treatment.

I had not thought about the QT CHI, that is a good suggestion.. and I do always visualize the area I am treating as perfect and whole. I also think of the "feels like" of what a perfect and straight back would feel, and try to project that as well in the energy as I send it..

I have also discussed quantum touch with each lady.. I explained that they are the healer, I am only facilitating.. I have recommended they start thinking of their back as being straight and healthy.. thinking of that in the present tense.. thinking about, and accepting the idea that their body can straighten and rebuild their spine..

I use supercharging, I use Core Technique, and see the spine unwinding.. still, the actual changes are very minimal..

It's very frustrating!!

I welcome any and all suggestions and ideas.. Pennie

Hi Pennie, how long do you work on each vertebra?
What technique are you using? Regular QT or Core Transformation?

Hi Pennie,

How much time is there between each QT session? In 2004, i was receiving QT sessions once every two weeks over about a five month period. The practitioner used QT in conjunction with another modality of healing that has been her main practice for some time. She was not keen to upset the continuous two weeks in advance bookings of clients, nor upset the flow of regular clients by meeting my request to shorten the time between sessions, but somehow there was one time where an opening became available to be 1 week apart, and that seemed to make more difference than the more spaced out sessions.

Before dropping the non QT body work, she use to spend about 30 to 40 minutes on the QT part of the session. When it became a QT only session, the QT time doubled. That seemed to speed up the improvements. I am not implying you drop your main modality, but merely suggesting the idea of exploring a change in focus of energy in time and spacing between sessions.

Two weeks break between sessions was definitely too long. I say that because i use to feel with my fingers the position of the spine along its length; before a session, after a session, and on a daily basis. After every single session, the spine had some minor improvements/ corrections, which continued for three days and then started reverting towards the original curvature after the three days. During the three days, i sometimes use to "hear" the energy in my body. Keep in mind that i was learning QT at the time, but not applying it to myself, as i use to park my hands on my body and healing energy use to just "pour" out of my hands. For some reason in that year, running energy seemed to stop that particular quality of Yin energy from flowing.

She definitely did not use CT. I am unsure if she knew SC, but i know that she definitely did not have the SC class experience. I say these, because the SC book says the changes hold for about a week, so my guess is she may not have used SC at the time. She use to spend most of the session tripoding each vertebrae, working from the bottom and working her way up. At some point in the visits i asked her to include some sandwiching of the trunk of the body in sections. I had read about it from someone in these forums who was having much success with people who had Scoliosis. If i remember correctly, i think he and his wife spent about an hour in sessions. Their idea was that in cases of Scoliosis, there are tense muscles that pull the spine out of alignment.

The more sessions i had, the better the spinal corrections held. Overall it seemed like three steps forward and two steps back.

Have you tried the SC technique of asking the body/ section of the body a question, and then remain receptive to receiving or sensing a response. Instead of that, i sometimes have talked to the body/ muscles with something like "whatever you need for your fullest well being and expression, it is available". Doing that with the intention, feeling, and knowing that it is so.

I am not clear if your assessment of the Scoliosis condition from the QT was literally zero spinal alignment, or weather you are disappointed with results outside of a personally preferred rate of change. I know some people have had miraculous results, but some have not had much. When i was receiving sessions in 2004, the gains were slow, and the year after i realized that there was more going on in my healing than just spinal correction. I had been ill over a number of years, and had also been under a lot of stress around the time of year of having QT sessions. A year or two later people who had not seen me, had commented that i looked so much healthier. If they had not said anything, and if i had judged the results from just the amount of spinal correction from 10 QT sessions, then i might have made an incorrect evaluation.
It still seems to me that timing may have given more effective results, but i would like to make the point by sharing something that Richard Gordon said in the QT DVD workshop. It is in DVD #2. It is just a little before the 22 minute mark, where he says;
"You can not evaluate effectively, the results of your work.",
and just before that, "letting go of attachment to outcome. you are not the healer."
Ask yourself if that might be the case.

Thank you Wilson and Paule..

Wilson, I am using all 3 as it seems indicated.. I start with regular QT, then supercharge my client, consolodate and spin their chakras, sometimes I quickly run the 12 colors on them and throw in some little U-NANs into the problem area, as well as around the entire problem area, and then one more around the entire person.. I run QT as long as the body is accepting that, sometimes the energy seems to not want to run, or I just get the impression that I should use CT, so I change to that, I go into my core space, place a womb around the patients spine, and see it untwisting. I watch it straighten to a clean, straight, healthy spine. I finish by seeing the womb fill with golden healing fluid and leave it in place..
I dont know how long to work on each vertebra, so that could be part of the problem.. how do you tell how long to spend on each one?
my total QT time is usually around 20-30 min, in the clinic setting I dont have unlimited time per client, an must spend at least half the time on traditional Physical Therapy activities.. any suggestions?

Paule.. you have some great ideas there, especially the last ones, quotes from Richard.. I should stop trying to evaluate objectively the results.. I recognize that I am only the facilitator, I guess it is just that both of these ladies are like my friends any more, and I really want them to have a helathy spine that supports them.. one in particular can't really hold herself fully upright without upper extremity support.. her lumbar vertebra are rotated so that her spinal support muscles are not really very effective.. if I could just get the lumbar spine to de-rotate enough so she could hold herself upright.. that would be so fantastic!!
your personal experience is very valuable and instructive.. I will be rereading that a few more times yet.. ;-)

thank you to everyone who has responded to my question.. I welcome any and all suggestions, questions, and ideas.. I would so much like these ladies to be able to even just stand straighter and have more functional, less painful spines..
Pennie

It usually seems to be more effective to "womb" each vertebra rather than the whole spine, and to use the "poking with a stick/the chaser" technique. And as Paule says, working on the muscles on either side ("steam release" in CT techniques) helps too, as they're used to being in the twisted position.