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{well, as you can see, my progress was mildly stunted, and on oct 27 06 (after I was allowed back on) I staticized my input due to what I now believe was misunderstood reasons.}


I was turned on to Qt book about Nov. 05. (I think)2005. I felt comfortable with QT because it did not involve invocations, spirits, magick, parallel realms, or other outfield grand-standing stuff--it was very down to earth and body based.

I feel I made great progress until Jan. 06, 2006; in fact, I posted my progress and discoveries here. I was doing Qt often--at least an hour every day, sometimes twice--I was working on me, plants, and a friend. I kept a log, because I was intending to become a practitioner. The following is what I never posted of my progress.

Unfortunately, some problems arose.

Sometime near the end of December 2005, I seemed to be picking up conditions from people I associated with (old friends, and family, but not aquaintances or strangers). Of course, it is possible that I just started getting ill, especially since I didn't get anything from the people I worked on--except one that I tried distant healing on, from a healing request on this board. At the same time I was around several family members who had the same or similar conditions. It was like I'd opened myself up to share people's afflictions (at least people I was longtime or closely associated with).

I'd had extremely minor hem problems in my lifetime, but never anything like this. I used my newfound QT ability to treat them, and at first it made them feel better. However, a couple of weeks they became so bad I couldn't run qt at all without them hurting immensely, and running QT directly on them made them much worse. QT had been such a pleasurable find for me that I did not appreciate this--at all. I had to stop doing QT. [From what I read here, if I'd been able to pay someone, or otherwise, to put their fingers on my anus, they may have been able to continue the healing energy until I was healed--but I wasn't in such a position.]

Still, I continued on the board--just in case, one day, I'd be able to do QT again.

My new world took another turn. The seriousness and bickering on the QT message board swung lower and lower; also, whenever anyone posted anything that was not glamorizing god or spirituality, others would dog-pile them. One day, I joined the fray, and made QT board history. [SEE THIS THREAD: http://quantumtouch.groupee.net/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=8821...61095772#8661095772]


I learned why I felt what I wrote, and came back to the board about a year later. Since then, I have only used QT a couple of times, but I do find myself realizing--that if I hadn't interpreted all the actions of the QT community to be so cultic, then I'd be a practitioner today, and probably an instructor. Most of all, I'd probably have made fantastic progress with my 'energy' capabilities; oh well, we are our past--that is what makes us do what we do, and determines how we think about what we encounter. [I certainly did not want to be enjoined with an organization of god-bigots or a community of falsely spiritists that oppress people from their community for not saying, "Fa-la-la-la-la," to their "Tra-la-la-la-la"; I've experienced too much of that baloney.]

The road which I would have gone had I continued--the road I did not see at the time--was set up quite like a track for a future in energy healing. I would have gone through Quantum Touch certification as planned, finishing just in time to learn Donna Eden's methods (which I found coming to my area) thus, my new life in this new world would have begun, and not just for me, but for all those I am associated with. Of course, I could choose to believe that it was a road of delusion, and self-deception--and therefore, not for me; now, I can only wonder.

Since then I have only used QT a few times, and during this time I sought out other modalities I may be interested in. So far, QT remains the most down to earth and body based. [NOTE: I only know QT as described in Richard's book.] The price of things in America have also gone up, and I am of lowly means.

As of this writing, I am still hesitant to pick back up QT and hesitant to support it's acclaim. It is a shame how we let our interpretations (or misinterpretations) of other's actions and words determine our own direction--even when we feel it is the right direction. The question remains--is it because it is not the right direction for ourself? Does the great god of dissension and confusion win again, or is it everyone's loss?

So, what will be? We shall see.

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"staticized" means that I turned all my posts into dashed lines

I saw my old log of Quantum-Touch experience, and had a few surprises, but I made a new entry--which I'll put here for now.

4-3-08
Although I am occasionally on the site, I am still not regularly using QT. I posted about me being set back by the misunderstanding (at least, I hope it is a misunderstanding) however, now the setback is much greater: two years, timing for Donna Eden course, work at hospital, increased expense, much less able to pursue the direction.

I suppose I could convince myself, easily enough, that QT doesn't work, and energy healing is a delusion--like religion. However, I would always have doubts as to the cause of the sensations, and whether it would actually work--as in heal or cure anything.

A commercial the other day said, "It is time. Make the call." This is the only part that caught my attention, and it triggered my thoughts about QT and another issue in my life; maybe it is time to "make the call" then move on--in whatever direction I'm going. The question is what was it; this is the kind of thing that gets video replay over and over, because the angle of the camera wasn't right. [I think I may post this, along with some of my early log entries]

I think the real question is "what do you want"? All things are possible, again the question is what do you want?

Self doubt, self delusion? Being and nothingness? It is all entry points which one speaks to you?

My belief is to enjoy the journey and "be".

Yes, be. ...but be what?
I used to sit on a mountaintop and be.
Maybe, that is a good place to start: go up on a mountain top and just be for 2 weeks.
Running energy qt style from a craggy peak could put everything into perspective.

Be present, be conscious. Let go of the left brain view and be in the now regardless of where you physically are.

Yes, few words full of presence and right to the point. Thanks Alain.

I agree with Alain but when you're trapped in the left-brain thinking, it's hard to know what to do. Which is where QT comes in, if you practice it very simply - giving your all. It frees you from left-brain thinking.

Practicing QT makes me feel really good, more energetic, happier and more balanced. It's one of the few things that involves all my senses, takes all my attention and leaves me feeling better than before. That's why I pursue it and it proves itself to me time and time again.

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Originally posted by creativejani:
I agree with Alain but when you're trapped in the left-brain thinking, it's hard to know what to do. Which is where QT comes in, if you practice it very simply - giving your all. It frees you from left-brain thinking.

Practicing QT makes me feel really good, more energetic, happier and more balanced. It's one of the few things that involves all my senses, takes all my attention and leaves me feeling better than before. That's why I pursue it and it proves itself to me time and time again.

Yes, I really enjoyed those effects of QT when I practiced regular, but the cost of offense given or taken, can be expensive.

As for all of you who despise the left brain, that is the part that coordinates all the details; you can't recognize anything without it--faces, letters, stars, lights, art, yourself. Also, although the right brain thrives on the feelings of recognition, these are also shared by the left (that's right, the left-brain has feelings, and takes them far more seriously than the right, but the right is hurt more deeply by them--so quit insulting yourselves and others in all there intricately detailed glory.)

None of you could possible visualize the U-nan without your left-brain being fully engaged, and it would never spin as a squiggly metamorphic tangle of every little experience that fly thru your senses--which your right mind dwells on.

I've always found great appreciation for ambidextrous achievement--it is the most zen ever.

[My left-brain also ascends]
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**Oh, and I have deleted all I could of the posts I turned into static.

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Well! I almost forgot my password. It has been some while since I was last here (as regular as I was) but now without my own internet access, it is an exercise to get online--going to the hotspots and all.

My progress with QT is still at a standstill, and I still haven't gotten to go up a mountain, yet. Of course, just because I intend to do qt pretty much the whole time I'm up there, I wouldn't let your hopes get too high that the next time I come down from my ascension I will be any more of a brown noser than I was before. Although, I may show more tolerance for the stinky stuff, but I ain't no Jolly Wally for that kind of slick-lick behavior.

Oh, by the way, I have deleted all of the posts I've put since my return to the board since my excommunication, now, not just the ones I turned to static dashes upon my first return. Why? Because that is what I'm "led" to do. Even tho it has been awhile, time is relative, and here, my last post was only yesterday.

When I was kicked off the board, my signature mysteriously disappeared. I enquired of J-min what happened to it, but she did not know. That night I woke up from a dream in which I was discussing with some unknown entity; he said, "I did it. They don't deserve to see it." It was very inspirational and inspired sig (oh well). Also, when I decided to come back to the board--after being allowed--I had another dream, saying, "These are the people that attacked you." Spooky.

All that almost made me not come back at all, and crusaders need to know what happens to their world when they outcast someone for having different beliefs than their own.
[QT inc didn't do that, they found a reason as mentioned in the previous posts, but I feel the complaints were much more about religious differences than the blirt of a man in a frock looking like a child-mollester.]
Religious--or spiritual, if you prefer--crusaders pressure people out of communities, and they appear to be trying to corner the laying on of hands field. I guess they believe their idea of god is the only one entitled to healing, and if your head isn't stuck in with them in their cave, then you can't be a healant.

{Picking one fault and ignoring all else about the person--good or bad.}

[Jeez (secret esoteric name for Jesus) it is a good thing my last attempt at posting this disappeared into the aethers, I was being so blunt I was obtuse--like when I was a teenager.]

Ta-ta!

I'll be around internet for a few days, now, before my next ascension. Then, when I come back down, we'll all see what the fate is, but no man (or woman) knows the day nor the hour of that (nope, the dogs don't know it either),

I'll be back .............er............. maybe.

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Hi Kweden,

First I missed all the bickering on the board probably sat on my mountain and I am glad you are thinking of coming back to the board. I have a soft spot for you hope you do'nt mind because....

I can relate to some things you write, specially the underdog position. I tend to fight for the undedog,the abused children animals the lot, for I was the underdog, well that's what I thought/felt, I was fully IN the drama . Third child in a family of 4 kids. So I behaved like one ,I was a rebel and I loved it, it was my way of getting attention.I was a terrible teenager.

I have not had a religious upbringing I was let free to choose what I thought was right and I am grateful for that for I was able to choose what felt right to me. Buddhism, Hinduism, Christian a micture of everything so maybe, I am a bit of all that is.

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I used to sit on a mountaintop and be.
Maybe, that is a good place to start: go up on a mountain top and just be for 2 weeks.
Running energy qt style from a craggy peak could put everything into perspective.

I sat on a moutain for safety reasons still do from time to time love the vieuw ! But......
My suggestion is to be IN the mountain, BE the mountain it's very grounding and safe at the same time and so now and than pay a short visit to the top for an overvieuw.

Love and Light and
Be Weird, Wild and Wonderful
Pinky

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I am not "against" using the left brain, hey it is half of me.

It is more that reasoning each moment of our lives and expecting logic to solve things that are often emotional in basis simply "feels" wrong and in my experience, simply don't work well.

Enjoy your pursuits.

Hi Kewden, This may sound simplistic, but can't you just take away what works for you and leave the rest? I consider what is said and if I don't agree then I just let it go and continue on the journey. Hope that you stay around.......

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Originally posted by Alain:
I am not "against" using the left brain, hey it is half of me.

It is more that reasoning each moment of our lives and expecting logic to solve things that are often emotional in basis simply "feels" wrong and in my experience, simply don't work well.

Enjoy your pursuits.

You're right.

Still, people tend to give the left-brain a lot of flack--and credit for things it really isn't responsible for.

I am often too right-brained; this is how I wrote publicly that the picture of a QT practitioner in a frock looked like a child-molester. My right brained emotional response to the picture cropped up, and my left-brain found no logic to counter it...so...said what a felt. Then had to examine long time to figure out what happened.

You see, the reason right-brained thinking is so illogical is because it is connected to all the experiences emotionally--not logically, reasonably, orderly, or often not even within the same local experience. It is in the whole, a gestalt of many gestalts. [There are left-brained gestalten as well, but left brain thinking is what filters out and shuffles lifes deck keeping only what we want and like.]

Now I am too deep for most understanding--so blunt I'm being obtuse.

Alain, you are much more left-brained than you seem to realize: you're unan is most evident of it, but all the little details which you pay attention to and put together into various practices; the control you show to not just say what zooms in your mind (especially the emotionally charged ones) but you wait until "it cools off"; the left brain identifies steps, the right brain just does it.

Examining emotions logicaly is, indeed, illogical, but I have learned that examining you're thinking (how did it think, what did it think, what were the links of the gestalt thought pathway that cause the thought to come to the forefront; this works for emotional thoughts as well, and allows the left and right brain to gain great peace and understanding with each other to work together in a proper ambidextrous fashion as we were meant to. This is called metacogitation, and it develops a sort of metacognition of yourself as you think and react to the world.

Of course, then there are the people who think the left brain is the left side of the body, actually it isn't. Something weird with this is that some people when their two sides are not at peace with eachother, they will keep injuring one side of their body--strange thing that, since the energy to injure is conjured to the other side they actually only hurt the same side (natural wonder--and probably why so many believe when you hurt someoneelse you hurt yourself, cause that it what happens when one side of a person's brain is to dominant or submissive.)