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I'm looking for some guidance here. The other day I was working on some trigger points in the neck of a client (I'm a massage therapist). The triggers points were not releasing quickly enough, if at all. My client said that the referred pain was activating her "migraine areas." At this turn of events, I discontinued trigger point therapy and turned to QT. I was specifically touching at all of the points using the 3 fingers from both of my hands. I was following the pain around her head. I ended up at the TMJ with one hand on each side. Soon after, my client started rubbing her head and tears were coming down her face. She said she was not in pain, but the energy was too strong. She couldn't take both hands being on her face. She asked me to use one hand.

Instead of taking the other hand completely away, I just flattened it out so one side had the specific finger positions and the other side was in a more general position. It became too much for her to take and she asked me to stop. "It's just too much energy." We had hit a VERY deep emotional spot within her and I stopped. I continued with a general, relaxing massage for the rest of the session. She left extremely emotional.

I remember seeing/reading that you should just keep running the energy, but in this case of extreme emotions being released, I felt it better to respect my client's wishes. At the end of the session I told her about the possibility of staying with the energy and she was grateful that I stopped. She said it was just too much.

Please share your experiences and guidance with me!!
Thank you!
Dino
 
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kim
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Dino,
WOW!!!! I can relate to your situation. I am a Massage Therapist also. I have been thinking alot about QT and massage and incorporating both together, but had some concerns about running into something that you experience in your posting. I am new at QT but very familiar to releases on the table. It is my belief that once a client lays in my table they not only receive theraputic massage but they also "get healing energy" as well - something that just is part of the package for energy is always flowing. I am a level 2 Reiki practictioner also. I was taught that you can't really control the energy flowing, but you can control the intensity. I ask for guidance during all my massage sessions and that i am guided to where and what needs to be done. I think your cleints emitional release was what needed for her to happen subconsiously - but she is still in denial about it??? I know it is a touchy subject and i have found that some of my clients don't really want to be "healed" on some issues. And that is something that can't be controlled.

I don't have any answer to your issue - but felt the need to respond to you for I have the same concerns. Please keep me posted on your practice and how things go with QT for you. My approach to energy work is that I start very subtle and ask for guidance and to how much, how intense etc....

Like massage - some times i give a very intense focused deep spirtual level massage - what the client is looking for and that same client the next time just wants something "lighter" if you will. i am always focused and grounded - maybe not so intense.... does that make sense?

Hope to hear from you soon - Kim in NC
 
Posts: 25 | Location: North Carolina | Registered: 25 August 2003Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Wow! I think you were correct in letting her make the decision to stop for now. She clearly is not ready to release on this. Next time, you might try releasing from the heart chakra, and ask her to picture an opening to allow the energy to flow out. This can diffuse the energy so that it doesn't overpower her. Keep your hand on the area, and imagine pulling out the energy through your hand. It will feel like a cool breeze coming out of the area. It may shift back to the TMJ area, maybe another place. Just chase the pain so to speak, but give it permission to leave. Keep up feedback from your patient, to know if it is moving. Likely, you will feel the energy where it is coming out. Stay with it until the energy stops or you sense it is gone. Problems like this may only release superficially, but once she gets in the releasing mode, it may continue when she's at rest. Let her know it is not good or bad energy, just energy that has been held in due to emotional problems. She may not even feel the emotions when it releases, but the results will be the same. You did good...Just stay GROUNDED while you are doing this.
 
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First, I am in total agreement about following the wishes of you client. That said: The implication is that the seat of the pain was emotional in nature. In order for healing to occur, in this case, the emotion(s) needed to be released. In the future when this occurs, you might say to your client: "It appears that the pain you are experiencing is emotional in nature. Are you open to talking about what your feeling as I put in the energy." The act of verbalizing what is going on often moves out the intensity of the experience and makes it handlable. This doesn't mean that it is necessarily pleasant. The client may or may not have a cathartic realease, the important thing is to continue to put in the energy.

We deal with emotional work in the Supercharging Q-T class. We work with just putting the energy in and dialoguing. If emotional work comes up often and you want to expand your knowledge base in this direction, you might want to take that class.

~Alain


 
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Alain, I haven't tried releasing this way. It sounds like another way to release. I am working on someone this morning with some emotional issues, which will no doubt come up. What can I expect the release will be like? When working with releasing energy and emotional issues, I worked as I wrote in the past post, and it has always worked well, but only seems to get through one layer of the onion, so to speak. Is this type of releasing working deeper? Thanks!
 
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It is not necessarily deeper. However, I have found it releases more layers more quickly often resolving long standing issues in a session or two. If you are not comfortable with the dialoguing idea, just putting energy into the heart region will help to "unseat" the emotion in question, again it will tend to be slower than verbalizing. You still follow the pain after starting in the heart region.

~Alain
 
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THANK YOU!!! I will try this. I usually dialogue with the person, by assurances that they are doing well, etc...but clearly, I need more instruction in this area. I was going on to take the Somoto Emotional Release class with the Upledger institute, but since I will be pursuing education in this area, I'll follow up with more advanced classes. Thanks!
 
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Thank you to everyone who posted so far with guidance. Alain, I plan to go ALL THE WAY with this technique. I look forward to meeting you soon at a Supercharging Workshop!! I've seen way too many incredible healings take place by using this modality!! I can only imagine what the Supercharging workshop principles/techniques will do!

Kim! It's so nice to hear from you! I'm very new to QT as well. I've read the book and took the video workshop. Right now, I offer it as "a new modality" that I've learned. So far, results have all been extraordinary....especially this last one! I am going to start having my reiki clients receive QT. I am a reiki practitioner as well. I'm now using QT as mini-sessions within the massage. I haven't done a full hour on anyone yet. I plan to do that soon. The mini-sessions seem to be proving to people (much more than reiki did...for me) that energy work WORKS!! It's absolutely incredible! I stand in awe at the power of spirit and the human body!!

Keep me posted on what you do! I am very grateful for your guidance/thoughts!!!!

Dino Hayz
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kim
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Dino,

Glad to hear from you. I have just read the book - waiting for a workshop - November in Greensboro, NC....then going to follow with the video. I/We have 4 massage therapists working together now. We all have had reiki degrees to some level.... but like you, i have found QT to be so much more and with results that are amazing. I have not practiced QT much on others yet....or incorporated it into my massage sessions...but if i may ask you, how do you incorporate QT during your massage sessions? Do you set a certain time just for QT during their hour session ie: the beginning?? or do you go thru the occipital/ hips etc adjustments before you begin?

I know that is alot of questions...and i do apologize for that...
but I am very interested and at the same time a little hesitant. Any suggestions?

Thank you for your feedback and keep me posted on the progress of your client. Talk to you again soon.

Kim
 
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Hey Kim!!

I love having this venue to chat!! Most of my clients simply want bodywork done. They come in with the regular body complaints such as, stiff neck, sore immobile shoulders, lower back pain, etc. Only about 20% of my clientele take advantage of a regular, full reiki treatment(although I run reiki all the time). I'm easing into that as well.

For introducing the QT, I have been starting with the regular massage. When I come upon a place such as an extremly hypertonic rhomboid or QL, I ask them if they would mind if I tried out a new energy work on them. Their response is usually somewhat like, "I'll try anything to take this pain away." I then just run energy into that spot until it wants no more. What is amazing to me is that I usually get the cue to quit running energy within a few (5) minutes...sometimes more, sometimes less. I ask them to breath deeply into the space underneath my hands. Immediately afterwards, I feel for any change and ask them to comment on what they notice. So far, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, have reported back on experiencing heat/tingles and now feeling NO PAIN WHATSOEVER! I then proceed with the normal massage. If I find another spot, I start all over.

That's all I've done so far, I waiting until the time is right to start doing entire treatments. I have had one client who has mentioned to me that she would like an entire treatment. So I guess what I'm doing is "QT--chair massage style"....give them a little, show them the benefits and get them to come back for more. A few times, I have done the hip/occipital adjustment on them AFTER the session.

My favorite so far has been while the client was prone and T-10 or 11 was considerably and visibly out on the right. I ran energy while they were in that position and their body moved that vertebrae back into alignment within 1 minute......can you believe it? I hardly can myself!

I hope that helps. I'm just as new at this as you are....but I've never seen any modality work so efficiently and consistently before.

I will keep you posted on my other client. She's coming back next week.

Seize this day!!
Dino
 
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Dino,

How cool is that!!!!! Good plan and thought. I guess that is what i have been doing each time i do a massage but haven't realized it. When I start each of my sessions - we begin by asking my client to get to that special place in their minds that they love ie: the beach, mountains etc - i guess i ask them to do some creative visualization to help them get peaceful - them i lay my hand on either their heart or solar plexus chakra and ask them to breathe into my hands and i breathe with them for a few breaths and the rest is history... I communicate with my clients well - I think- during the massage, but i would like to stress more and incorporate what you have shared - if you don't mind. Good approach.

If i can ask.... what does your massage room look like? Do you have a theme going? My name for my practice is: Massage by the Sea - and I have that theme in the reception area and in it carries over into my room. I have had that for a while now. I am thinking about leaving my Beach theme in the reception area and changing the look for my room for the winter months to the island safari jungle look..... any input from one mt to another?

Thanks for your help,

Kim
 
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Hey Kim!!

Your theme sounds wonderful! And I like the idea of changing it to suit the seasons.

My healing room is very basic. I have a few inspirational sayings next to the dressing area. I am of the "ilk" that a non cluttered "outer-sphere" leads to an uncluttered "inner-sphere." I have a few things on shelves that remind me of who I am and what I'm there for, and some native American medicine wheels hanging in my window, but no particular theme per se. I AM going to paint a sky scape on the ceiling right above my table for those clients who prefer to keep their eyes open...of which I have 4. )

Your theme seems so nice....and perfect for you. I'm not much into the decorating aspect....but I have many collegues who are. I think it's all about the individual therapist.

Hope that helps. Keep in touch!!!
Dino
 
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Hey Dino,

Your healing room sounds great. As some of my male cleints say... i don't care what your room looks like -- I just wanta massage and if it is out in the parking lot ... great how cares!!

Hey Dino... just some feedback what has worked for me and kept things interesting for my clients and spouses... I have a beach house in Emerald Isle NC. I did some massage sessions on the patio/deck outside in the evenings, for some of my clients at the beach - I will tell you that there is nothing as wonderful as a massage outside in the evening. I have started giving massage sessions at clients home outside on their patios/decks and it is wonderful.... yes it involves some lugging... but i have some clients that have purchased tables that i can use so i don't have to bring mine... and it is great!!! It is getting the time of year here... just a little cool in the evening, a heated table with a nice med throw on and the clients feel great and have a wonderful relaxing massage right at thier own home. When the hour is over - all I have to do is pack up my lotions/oils and leave. It has been a great success here in NC.

Yes I love my room - and your right - it fits me. I like to keep things interesting for myself and clients.

Well if you have any pictures of your room that you want to share - i would love to see them and visa versa...

Have a great evening,

Kim
 
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